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andyr
Crusing Past
230 Posts |
 Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 11:10:52
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Results yet from yesterday ?
Had to leave before the end - needed to get home and wash the grime from the West Lothian roads that was in my hair ! |
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PBPB
Speed Merchant
847 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 11:42:03
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A Race Very unofficial
1...Gordon Murdoch
2...Michael Nicholson
3...Scott Macrae
3...Callum Wilkinson
5...Colin Humphrey
6... Gary Hand
B Race
1... Colin May..ERC
2...Douglas Young... Stirling BC
3...James McPake...Falkirk BC
Some photies on the Falkirk BC website gallery. Cheers Ian. |
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largeheadsmallbrain
Crusing Past
496 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 11:47:36
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Don't suppose anyone could shed any light onto how I got brought down in the race? All I had time to comprehend was my handlebars being wrenched from my hands by a rider on my left.
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largeheadsmallbrain
Crusing Past
496 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 11:59:53
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| I don't think there are any skills I could acquire that would have saved me from that. Unless anyone who saw it can say otherwise. |
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andyr
Crusing Past
230 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 12:17:21
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| Don't recall anything major - I narrowly avoided running over your wheels. My guess is just a rider switched his line without any real reason, wasn't a particularly noticeable bit of the course, road surface was fine (unlike other bits ... ), straight enough etc so probably just the usual thing of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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Rab W
Gaining Speed
101 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 12:49:46
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I didn't realise you were knocked down arthur. I thought it was a case of slipping on the white lines. Anyway hope your alright.
Rab |
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
1263 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 13:14:49
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Arthur, I think there was a trench in the road at that spot, about 5 foot long , 3 inches wide and 2 inches deep. enough to drop a front wheel into and loose all steering for the length of the through. Yours or someone elses wheel may have dropped into it?
You looked quite concerned as you realised you were on the floor, just as you started to curl up into that "Oh sh*t" someone is going to run into me position.
No serious injury i hope?
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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largeheadsmallbrain
Crusing Past
496 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 13:32:48
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
1263 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 14:36:07
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Perhaps I was looking at the wrong piece of road!
I did see you fall and could not really see reason for it. i was on your RHS about 1 and a half lengths behind you.
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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Greg B
Setting Off
62 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 08:05:40
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Race A result
1 1 Murdoch Gordon Pedal Power.org.uk/Endura RT Elite 03:19:18
2 37 Nicolson Michael Glasgow Wheelers 4
3 3 Scott Macrae Pedal Power.org.uk/Endura RT 2nd 01:15
4 58 Wilkinson Callum www.TheBicycleWorks.com 2nd 01:28
5 61 Humphrey Colin Activecycles-corbridge 1st 01:40
6 2 Hand Gary Pedal Power.org.uk/Endura RT Elite 03:14
7 17 Kermode John Dundee Thistle 2nd V 03:16
8 53 Brown Philip Velo Ecosse 03:54
9 16 Mcgarrity Graham Dooleys Cycles Racing Team 1st V 04:31
10 19 Russell Stephen East Kilbride RC 3rd 04:33
11 23 Blathwayt Tim Edinburgh Road Club 3rd 04:35
12 78 Cameron Neil Falkirk BC 04:38
13 50 Thomson Chris VC Astar Anderside 2nd V 04:41
14 9 Ash Colin Anderson's Racing 1st same time
15 65 McInally Paul East Kilbride RC 04:45
16 56 Oliphant Lewis Velo Ecosse 04:46
17 41 Bayliss Russell GS Metro 3rd same time
18 39 McIntosh Steve Granite City Racing Team 04:48
19 27 Coopland Martin Falkirk BC 3rd 04:54
20 5 Lines David Pedal Power.org.uk/Endura RT 2nd 04:59
21 34 Cusick James Glasgow Couriers / Bennett Deve 05:01
22 18 Couper Stephen Dunfermline CC 3rd same time
23 54 Macgregor Stuart Velo Ecosse 1st V 05:30
24 38 Smith Keith Glasgow Wheelers 3rd 09:39
25 64 Turner Ray Activecycles-corbridge 3rd 11:21
26 35 Jason Roberts Glasgow Nightingale CC 3rd 11:22
27 10 Armstrong Kenneth Ayr roads/ Harry Fairbairn 3rd 11:45
28 52 Martin Dean Velo Ecosse 26:38:00
29 47 Davidson Magnus Square Wheels Cycles Junior same time
30 46 Calum McLean Rock and Road Cycles 3 29:42:00
Race B result
1 23 May Colin Edinburgh Road Club 02:02:37
2 46 Young Douglas Stirling Bike Club/Wheels of Ca J 4
3 31 Mcpake James Falkirk BC 3rd 8
4 9 Whieele Chris Deeside Thistle 13
5 2 Henderson Dave PedalPower.org.uk / Endura RT 16
6 52 French Paul Unattached 4th V 17
7 7 Cowie Liam Aberdeen Wheelers J 19
8 44 Brierley Andrew Spokes RT same time
9 39 Neagle Graeme Glasgow Wheelers same time
10 13 Anderson Lee East Kilbride RC 4th same time
11 27 Walker Greig Edinburgh Road Club 4th 21
12 12 Cranstoun Barry East Kilbride RC 4th 22
13 37 Greengrass Jeremy Glasgow Nightingale CC same time
14 49 Crowther Stevie Team Leslie Bike Shop / Rightmo 24
15 6 Scobie Graham PedalPower.org.uk / Endura RT 27
16 42 Soutter Bob Peebles CC V50 29
17 21 McDiarmid Scott Edinburgh Road Club 4th V 30
18 14 Robertson Steven East Kilbride RC 4th 31
19 29 d1ckson Stephen Falkirk BC 4th 32
20 41 McLean Alan Johnstone Wheelers CC 39
21 15 Sammon Peter Edinburgh Road Club 4th 41
22 50 Mott Karl www.TheBicycleWorks.com 42
23 35 Laurie David Glasgow Nightingale CC 4th same time
24 47 Addis Eddie Stirling Bike Club/Wheels of Ca 4th 46
25 48 McCluskey Kieran Team Icarus 4th same time
26 4 Milliken Brendan PedalPower.org.uk / Endura RT 48
27 16 Avraam Georges Edinburgh Road Club 4th 01:47
28 54 Willcox Ian Unattached 02:10
29 3 Murray Tommy PedalPower.org.uk / Endura RT 4th 04:12
30 22 Thomas Claire Edinburgh Road Club W 04:19
31 30 Adams Craig Falkirk BC 4th 04:30
32 18 Wilkie Bill Edinburgh Road Club 4th 04:31
33 26 Bell Gary Edinburgh Road Club 07:05
34 1 Aitken Niall PedalPower.org.uk / Endura RT 4th 09:08
35 53 Bullivant Scot Unattached 09:55
36 57 Johnstone Niall Stirling Bike Club/Wheels of Ca 10:18
37 17 Del Corto Olivier Edinburgh Road Club 4th 12:09
38 11 Crawford Neil Dundee Thistle RC 4th 12:53
39 8 Robertson Billy Ayrodynamic 13:47
40 33 Kennedy Jamie Glasgow Courriers CC same time
41 34 Hornby Paul Glasgow Ivy CC V40 19:52
42 19 Ewing Anne Edinburgh Road Club W 21:35
43 56 Jackson Gordon Unattached 4th 23:50
44 28 Findlater George Elgin Cycling Club 3rd 25:42:00
45 40 Anderson Kenneth Hawick CC V60 30:23:00
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Graham McG
Speed Limits N/A
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
1263 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 19:01:44
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6 oclock on a tuesday? should n't you be warming up for the bundy graham?
Couldn't agree with you more about the points system.
I would n't say that Sunday's race was 80 miserable miles, but the points situation is just silly.
The race was excellently run(thanks to all involved) and I though the circuit was a good one. A race of that length and quality should be able to award points if the points system is to have any meaning at all.
Note to all: closing date for entries to the RR champs is approaching. Its a Regional C race too!
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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Graham McG
Speed Limits N/A
1115 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 21:53:39
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As Micky would say 'Warming up's for puffs'.
I rode the Morecambe 2day earlier in the year; this event featured a 1mile TT for which the winner got 15pts and an 8mile RR; again the winner got 15 points down to 1 for 10th.
The winner of this years Scottish gets 0 points
Something aint right somewhere. |
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barky
Speed Merchant
547 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 08:38:14
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It's a problem you get with the current system, which discourages 4th cats from racing against anybody else, if you allow 4th cats in the event (such as the Scottish champs) then you get problems.
......although there is a way round it, if the organiser gets in touch with me I can explain what we did at the Sam Robinson and who the contact at BC is who may make this possible. |
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Z00SH
Speed Merchant
583 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 10:35:49
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looks like the race orgsanisers need to assist the riders here. It's the riders responsibility to inform the race organisers of the issues well in advance.
Maybe one to raise with James McCallum who could champion the race orgs and get things sorted at BC or you'll all be racing as 3rd cats next year! 4th cats seem to be the lepors of the cycling community from point perspective :-(
"I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five." - Henri Desgranges |
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Paul_Coats
Crusing Past
497 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 10:58:03
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Same old story, this has happened so many times here is SCU land
down south points are thrown at you, just like GG reports.
Its nothing to do with organiser its comm who has to sort it, now its done its difficult to reverse things.
I brought this up earlier in the year and thought it was sorted sll SS6 irrespective of 3rds riding would have exemption and get NAT B status, cleary not!
Yip its crap, as GG say we be 3rd cat land
Its a clear case where the cat system here should have some exemptions as a consequence of limited rider pool.
It really needs SCU to be at BCF AGM and get a change made to rules
Whats the chances of that?
we may all be 3rd cats but least we know we are all E standard
Thats a poor stab at humour
Cheers
Paul
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[i]Originally posted by Graham McG[/i]
[br]http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/eve/eventspast.asp?evt_cp=1&evt_mode=2&evt_id=%7BD6FBC665-943C-41C5-A92E-0A964B83BF5C%7D&evt_seriesid=&evt_myevents=No&RefID=&RefType=&evt_year=2008&evt_month=Any&evt_kw=&evt_regions=All+Regions&evt_disc=&evt_class=&evt_cat=&evt_series=&evt_resultspp=40
80odd miserable miles and no category points allocated????
Ah well, I supppose we'll all be 3rd cats soon.
C'mon guys this really needs to get sorted; if this is a surreptitious attempt to dispense with categories entirely - great! If not this really needs to be addressed.
Either scrap the point system entirely - might be an idea, as nobody seems to have the remotest idea how it works - or do it properly and allocate points according to some vaguely recognisable criteria.
Please do not read into this post any criticism of the organisation of Sunday's race.
Thanks to all involved.
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barky
Speed Merchant
547 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 11:49:51
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It provides an extra burden on the organiser too, just because you're an organiser doesn't mean you know (or should have to know) the entire BC points system. I walked into race organisation not knowing the first thing about points allocations, you assume that if you're running an 80 mile race there will be points, but that's not the case, BC allocate the band, not the organiser. Then you have to spend a bit of time trying to sort it all out, at exactly the point you don't have any time. So it's probably not something Jamesey can fix, it goes up into the beaurocracy of BC a bit more, Jamesey can only work with what he's given, at this point in time he's not given the power to change the BC points system or allocate bands to events.
You're right, I think it needs an SCU presence at the BC agm to change the rules, either that or we don't use the BC points system, what do they do in Ireland, they seem to work well? |
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AndyM
Setting Off
72 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 13:57:42
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You have all jumped the gun , the result card has been forwarded to British Cycling yesterday (this has to be done within seven days of the event) - the delay due to one of the riders not submitting his licence number when signing on, fortunately James McCallum was able to get the info required.. before you get your knickers in a twist take a moment and consider that the officials can only work with the information you supply at sign on.. I for one think that Pedal Power put on a well organised event.
Cheers
Andy (Chief Comm.)
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Paul_Coats
Crusing Past
497 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 15:26:21
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Andy with all respect no one knocked pedal power, i am one of them, well not knocked for the organisation and running of the event, we get knocked for just about everything else 
so the "I for one..." is out of context with this thread.
If the points are sorted, well done to all who sorted, but there is clear confusion over is it NAT B or REG C and thus the knickers are well twisted.
Not mine of course 
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[i]Originally posted by AndyM[/i]
[br]You have all jumped the gun, the result card has been forwarded to British Cycling yesterday (this has to be done within seven days of the event) - the delay due to one of the riders not submitting his licence number when signing on, fortunately James McCallum was able to get the info required.. before you get your knickers in a twist take a moment and consider that the officials can only work with the information you supply at sign on.. I for one think that Pedal Power put on a well organised event.
Cheers
Andy (Chief Comm.)
Andy
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Greg B
Setting Off
62 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 15:48:28
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Thanks to the posts on here it has brought the issue to our attention. We were always going to miss a few things given it was the first race we have organised as a team for some time.
Ollie is going to discuss with James to see what we can do.
I will provide an update.
Thanks for the positive comments on the race and hopefully we will be able to make it even better next year. If only we could control the weather ......
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
1263 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 09:21:41
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So AndyM what happened?
My newly issued (printed) list of events, posted to me by the SC, shows this race as being a National B.
Yet no points seem to have been issued? Am i jumping the gun now?
Guys that raced at this event and who scored more than enough points to change their category are still riding in their old cat. Not their fault.
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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Greg B
Setting Off
62 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 13:12:35
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Martin,
Jumping the gun a bit i'm affraid although i know we all like to be super negative on the forum!
Trying to follow up with BC. The person involved has been on holiday but should be back in the office next week.
We should then get a yes here are your points or a no because ......
Sorry it has taken so long. |
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
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Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 15:58:07
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Hmm.
I do not feel i am jmping the gun. the gun went off 3 weeks ago.
Nor am i being negative. AndyM asked us to wait. we waited.
what i aqm trying to highlight are the errors in the curent points system. The agm is just and the corner and we need to start thinking abot this now.
Its not my points I am looking for! points are the last thing i need.
Isn't this the Comms work Greg? i am certainly not tying to be negative about the race itself.
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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doc
Speed Merchant
522 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 17:45:04
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| The Chief Comm can only award points based on the event classification. If it says Nat B then assuming the distance is over the 72mls mark points should go 1st to 20th. If it says Reg C then there are no points alllocated. By checking the BC calender I would know in advance what the story is. However........what is in the calender and what is on the BC web site and what BC actually gives even when the results card has been sent in can be totally different! This does need to be looked at again but it is not necessarily a commissairing issue. Something has gone wrong big time. |
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MCoopland
Speed Limits N/A
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Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 17:51:41
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To be honest, its not just this event, although this one is a good example of what is going on.
the points sytem, in Scotish racing is US at the moment and unless we start to sort it out now, it will roll into next year just the same.
My opinion is just scrap it all together. (first shot)
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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Paul_Coats
Crusing Past
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Posted - 25 Jul 2008 : 18:15:16
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Hi Martin
am on your side but we must not scrap it.
We need special consideration as we do not have the pool of riders there are down south. Events should be given NAt B status when 4th cats are riding.
In fact like down south we should eb getting points chucked at us at every event.
2 options
1. No points at all we all end up being third cats. In the grand scheme of things if you race only in Scotland no big deal, if you want to race down south problem!
2. Make every RR over 72 miles NAT B irrespective of Cat, see more Reg A and Reg B classifications. Means we all be 1st cats in two years, again if you only race in Scotland its all relative, if you aspire to race down south you get some help entering premiers etc
The second option seems in the best interest of riders. The second option is what happens down south but as we have such a small pool of riders to get a good size field we need to open to 4th cats and then we get Reg C classification, why its not C+ i don’t know.
This weekends Anderside Classic is Reg C what a JOKE! Alistair and the guys have attracted phenomenal sponsorship great race organisation and its classified as a "GO RIDE" level event!!!!!
COME ON SCU STEP IN AND SORT IT
Paul
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[i]Originally posted by MCoopland[/i]
[br]To be honest, its not just this event, although this one is a good example of what is going on.
the points sytem, in Scotish racing is US at the moment and unless we start to sort it out now, it will roll into next year just the same.
My opinion is just scrap it all together. (first shot)
Martin Coopland
www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!
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